Watching angry protesters waving placards outside a Birmingham primary school brought it all back for Khakan Qureshi. A softly spoken gay Muslim in his early 40s, he vividly remembers Margaret Thatcher denouncing the fact that children were being taught they “have an inalienable right to be gay” and introducing section 28 – the toxic product of Tory homophobia and a hysterical media moral panic – to prevent the so-called promotion of homosexuality in schools.
OwenJones84 Owen I live a few miles from were your from, you would be beaten in longsight for saying that and not by white supremacists but but the Asian community. The local saying is BaconMakesYouGay
Mr Jones showing his professional idiocy again. Muslims and the LGBT community must stand together ... yes and Maybe the LGBT community can promote sharia law for the Muslim community .... you moron jones
JonesTheMusic Be better to just ban religion it's the biggest problem in the world today. All religions have had their moments but in an educated world where there is so much hatred why do people still believe ?
But they won't, and you should have seen this coming.
Children are not the properties of the state, they are 'blood' and family members of the parents who spent so many sleepless nights and days sacrificing so much to care for those children and to provide them food, clothes, shelter and to give them a better future.
wouldn't it be better to argue: all tolerant people should unite against intolerant haters? ... that would include ALL forms of intolerant conservatism no matter which religion or race or sex supports it.Face it: conservative Muslims have a lot in common w/conservative Christians
Judith Butler made this plea in book w/Talal Asad, titled Is Critique Secular. It smelled of ignorance to me when I read it & still does.
Good luck.
Those complaining about islamophobia practising homophobia. I love this country. theresa_may Conservatives UKLabour LibDems greenparty TulipSiddiq what say you?
svencjohn_steve Owen Jones just has to be totally ignorant of the particular interpretations made by Islamic scholars in genuinely Muslim countries. The Muslim diaspora may one day universally reject them with Jones's help. One wishes him luck.
OwenJones84 sure. Muslims can never do anything wrong. None of them are homophobic. It's only & always the far right needed to be fixed. next
As the article makes clear there are Muslims who are part of the LGBT community, just as there r practising Christians & Jews. And there r many voices in all these religious communities tht denounce us & there are voices that support us. And we need to use our own voices too.
The ideal is good, and too good to be true. It's even hard to realize this dream 20 years later.
I’m not sure you’ve grasped Islam Owen.
In the article'But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies.' In reality, talking about the LGBTQ issue, most Muslims will stand by the conservatives even the far-right.
I admire these guys for getting organised and not tolerating absurd political correctness at such a young age .
A friend of mine did that in Saudi....he is no more...
That will never happen. Different values and norms
owenjones84 I think that’s a great idea!! I honestly think it could bring joy and happiness to the Islamic twits!! Every gay person I know is extremely happy and never fight apart from the odd handbag tussle! Just keep em trannies at bay as they can be divas!
Because they have consistent causes that coexist in peace?
Here's an idea, why not all people just learn to accept we are all different but at the end of the day we are all human. We don't get to choose where we are born, the colour of our skin or our social status, our sex or sexuality, but we can choose our attitude and how we behave.
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OwenJones84 Yeah but never gonna happen
OwenJones84 Gay man feels solidarity with adherents of Islam Ever read Pew or C4 ICM poll? Globally mainstream Islam i̳s̳ far right in many respects incl on LGBT & role of women. Gay hating US Evangelicals are often called unchristian. Just as gay hating Muslims are often called... Oh wait
Bawaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha
OwenJones84 Your right Owen, LGBT and Islam can co-exist. Just look at Bacha Bazi “Man Love Thursday” in Afghanistan!
I do t think Mr Jones has read the Qur’an lately. islamist actively hunt down Gays today to butcher them. Wake up man!
OwenJones84 Great article OwenJones84 . I have no issue with the subject being taught however I just think the age at which it's being taught at is inappropriate. Maybe stay at high school when they will have a more in depth understanding?
LOL. Guess the writer is clueless about the Muslims stance on LGBT. LMAO. A Muslim shoots up a gay club in Orlando & they get this kind of support. Trump legalizes cannabis and gets called a racist, divisive POS. Journalism is dead.
The idea that conservative Islam and the LGBT community are going to gang together to fight the 'far-right' is beyond deluded.
OwenJones84 We do NOT nor NEED your support. LGBT is immoral and Islam is greater than people choosing to be gay one day and another day to be straight
Well,. Owen, there's a bit of a conflict there... What do all countries that have the death penalty for LGBT people have in common?
Cannot see that coming up very soon😏
Surely this isn’t possible. A religion with its own law, that Legally kills practising homosexuals. Where is the similarity? Why would LGBT community hold hands with its tormentors? All religions want to be the single truth of the world, and they will kill you if your gay.
OwenJones84 They should , BUT THE MUSLIMS DO NOT WANT TO , the hyper left would try to pet a pitbull while it ripped off their face!
OwenJones84 This is just utter nonsense
I see a parallel here with conservative catholics and protestants in Northern Ireland. At first glance they seem at odds, as they certainly are on the question of national identity. But scratch the surface and you'll find they agree on almost everything else...
OwenJones84 We should be careful with these binarisms. There're many people who are 'Muslims and LGBTQ'. It has been like that for centuries. Today people who're both Muslim and LGBTQ+ say they're subjected to both Islamophobia and homophobia from all sides, including their own communities.
OwenJones84 'When a common enemy – the far right – is once again looming' Islam is Far Right. Their ideology is very conservative, not progressive. Because they vote Labour doesn't mean they are the 'Left', they vote Labour because they know they will push for Islamic rights.
Im sorry Owen, but i fundamentally disagree. I mean in an ideal world, yes thats great. But it won't happen and there needs to be a time where you need to admit, you cant speak up for everybody. I want muslims to feel safe and equal, but its hard when they reject simple values.
Yeah I agree the battle that would ensue would remove idiots from both sides. We need to fund Owen jones to go to Pakistan or Palestine to preach his Lgbtq doctrine over there...he'll be given a lovely roof top view just before he gets thrown off
OwenJones84 More chance of them converting their mosques into pig sanctuaries
I don't want any Muslim near me.
islam and this don't mix.
Guardianutter politics of delusion.
Yeah, especially in Brunei, lol
OwenJones84 I think it's far more likely that extreme right-wingers and conservative muslims will eventually find THEIR common ground (hating LGBTQ, hating women, hating open and tolerant societies which value personal freedoms over religious orthodoxy).
The right are on the rise. Pretty soon the likes of Owen Jones and his dreadful Socialism will find no one believes their lies anymore.
Good luck with that one. This is why intersectional organising will always fall apart
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OwenJones84 They certainly shouldn’t cast stones at each other...
The Muslims quite rightly believe that LGBT relationships are wrong and are entitled to say so. We still do have the right to an opinion,legally.
Owen should take this message to the Middle East
So let me get this right, OJ is happy to protest outside the Dorchester regards Sharia law in Brunei, yet is happy to not only excuse that very mindset in Birmingham, but somehow blame Maggie Thatcher for it. There lies the rank stupidity of a silly little school boy
Looking forward to Owen Jones' world campaign tour on this Starting in Brunei, when?
The Best joke of 2019.
Yo, my first boyfriend (I'm assigned male at birth myself) back when I was 13 and he was 15, had a best friend who's Muslim and she was literally part of the high school's Gay-Straight Alliance and had another good gay guy friend who was basically like her platonic life partner.
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