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Brian Kelly: But I think we like to say we are the gold standard. It starts with US News and everybody says, okay, here's how we're not like US News.Speaker 3: Number one again is?Melissa Korn: I don't think the impact that US News Rankings have had on schools can be understated.Melissa Korn: Schools make spending decisions. They make admissions decisions. They make so many of their decisions based on what it might mean for the rankings.
Melissa Korn: Applying to college in the early 80s and before then, and frankly before the late 90s was very, very different than it is now. You had to apply to each school individually, so you generally applied to fewer schools. And even still, most people go to a college that's near them, and most people go to schools that admit most applicants for the undergraduate level. So this kind of battle about rankings is in many ways focused on those most selective schools.
Melissa Korn: Yes. Without a question. There are companies that schools can hire to help them figure out which levers are kind of the best to pull so that they can improve their rankings, right? Okay. If we change this one thing, if we get our retention rate up to this number from first to second year, or if our reputation survey average score goes from a three to a four, here's how much that matters, here's what that could do. So let's put a bunch of resources into that.
Siobhan Hughes: With so much writing on these rankings, Melissa says that colleges and universities have long raised concerns about the power that US News holds. For one, the publication doesn't fully reveal how it exactly calculates rankings. Siobhan Hughes: But then last year something shifted. That's after the break. Last year, Yale, the number one ranked law school, decided to revolt against the US News rankings.
Melissa Korn: And it had clearly been just this dam breaking because later that same day, Harvard Law pulled out and within a week a handful of other top ranked schools pulled out and within three months, 40 plus law schools had pulled out.
melissakorn This is helpful background but still not answering the most important questions. Not very convincing why now, why law schools, etc. In fact, this appears to be credulous journalism that plays right into the narrative Ivies are creating. What’s the real reason Melissa?
melissakorn Excellent episode---thorough, fair, nuanced. Malcolm Gladwell has written deftly on this topic as well. I'd rank it numerically, but, of course, we know the pitfalls that lurk therein! I really like Ryan_Knutson as host, but siobhanehughes was stellar here as guest host.
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